Abstract This interview/dialogue addresses an important issue of how educational semiotics is grounded in the history of ideas. The discussions concern the shared history of semiotics and liberal education; the modern university and its medieval antecedents; semiotic consciousness, the traces of which are found in both Christianity and Islam (and the hermeneutics of Abrahamic and mystical religions, in general); intercultural translation; the relationship between learning (conceptualized edusemiotically) and biosemiotics, and how our social understandings of learning determine and shape our basic relationship to the world. Touching on the concepts of scaffolding and evolution, the chapter discusses adaptation in relation to learning, social semiotics and contemporary social reality, while imploring us to consider education in terms of its service to learning (and not the other way around). Campbell: This interview was originally published as a recorded podcast-interview in 2017, on philosophasters.org as part of the interview series Signs of Life. Thank you to Thomas Hoeller for recording and editing the sound and music, and Marion Benkaiouche for transcribing the interview. Thank you, Inna Semetsky, for summarizing the dialogue, included in part in the above abstract description. Please bear in mind that as this interview was conducted two years ago, the author´s current ideas on some of these topics may have changed.

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教育，标志和思想史

摘要这次采访/对话解决了一个重要问题，即教育符号学如何立足于思想史。讨论涉及符号学和通识教育的共同历史。现代大学及其中世纪的前身；符号意识，在基督教和伊斯兰教中都有踪迹（以及亚伯拉罕和神秘宗教的诠释学）；跨文化翻译；学习（概念化的教育）和生物符号学之间的关系，以及我们对学习的社会理解如何决定和塑造我们与世界的基本关系。在探讨脚手架和进化的概念时，本章讨论了与学习，社会符号学和当代社会现实有关的适应，同时劝说我们从教育对学习的角度考虑教育（而不是反过来）。坎贝尔（Campbell）：这次采访最初是作为录音播客采访于2017年在philosophasters.org上发布的，是采访系列《生命迹象》的一部分。感谢Thomas Hoeller录制和编辑声音和音乐，以及Marion Benkaiouche记录采访内容。谢谢Inna Semetsky总结了上面的抽象描述中所包含的对话。请记住，由于本次采访是在两年前进行的，因此作者对其中某些主题的当前想法可能已经改变。感谢Thomas Hoeller录制和编辑声音和音乐，以及Marion Benkaiouche记录采访内容。谢谢Inna Semetsky总结了上面的抽象描述中所包含的对话。请记住，由于本次采访是在两年前进行的，因此作者对其中某些主题的当前想法可能已经改变。感谢Thomas Hoeller录制和编辑声音和音乐，以及Marion Benkaiouche记录采访内容。谢谢Inna Semetsky总结了上面的抽象描述中所包含的对话。请记住，由于本次采访是在两年前进行的，因此作者对其中某些主题的当前想法可能已经改变。