The ‘conversation’ offers an important contribution to the archaeology of information systems, both in practice as an academic domain or discipline, and a focus on the genealogy of the field, including some of the accidents and deviations that marked later developments. It is derived from a series of conversations and later exchanges that I arranged with Frank Land. The substantive aspects date from the late 2017 and were then developed in a series of exchanges in 2018; although in effect he and I have been developing this conversation over many years, during which he has been continually challenging, expansive and forthcoming. Comments forthcoming from readers of earlier drafts indicated some perplexity regarding the genre and the objectives of our contribution, so it is important to note that the term ‘conversation’ is something of a conceit. It is not an interview per se, nor is it a biographical account. The core of what follows developed from our verbatim exchanges both face-to-face, and later via email. Some sections, however, have been reworked and enhanced to clarify and augment the issues raised. In addition, we have sought to provide a good deal of background and narrative to guide readers through the text, offering pointers to further resources. The overall contribution is intended to provide an informed and, we hope, informative contribution to people’s understanding of key social and technical issues of our time.

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Frank Land (FL) 和 Antony Bryant (AB) 之间的“对话”：第一部分

“对话”对信息系统考古学做出了重要贡献，无论是作为学术领域或学科的实践，还是对该领域谱系的关注，包括一些标志着后来发展的事故和偏差。它来源于我和 Frank Land 安排的一系列谈话和后来的交流。实质性方面始于 2017 年底，然后在 2018 年的一系列交流中得到发展；尽管实际上他和我多年来一直在发展这种对话，在此期间，他一直在不断挑战，广阔而坦率。来自早期草稿的读者的评论表明对我们贡献的类型和目标有些困惑，因此重要的是要注意“对话”这个词是一种自负。这不是采访本身，也不是传记。接下来的核心是我们的逐字交流，包括面对面交流，后来是通过电子邮件交流。然而，一些章节已经过重新设计和增强，以澄清和增加所提出的问题。此外，我们还试图提供大量的背景和叙述来引导读者阅读文本，并提供指向更多资源的指针。总体贡献旨在为人们对我们时代的关键社会和技术问题的理解提供知情的、我们希望的、信息丰富的贡献。此外，我们还试图提供大量的背景和叙述来引导读者阅读文本，并提供指向更多资源的指针。总体贡献旨在为人们对我们时代的关键社会和技术问题的理解提供知情的、我们希望的、信息丰富的贡献。此外，我们还试图提供大量的背景和叙述来引导读者阅读文本，并提供指向更多资源的指针。总体贡献旨在为人们对我们时代的关键社会和技术问题的理解提供知情的、我们希望的、信息丰富的贡献。